How Leaders Unlock Collective Intelligence & the Powerful Synergy of Connection

{"text":" Most people think their greatest asset is the smartest person in the room. John Burgoff has spent decades proving people wrong. He's facilitated collective intelligence with companies like Google, BMW and NASA. And what he has shown is that the magic lies not in any one person, but in the spaces between them. In our conversation today, we cover being, doing, oxytocin dopamine, and perhaps the greatest piece what's going on inside us. Your nervous system sets the tone. Your energy speaks before you do. How you show up is the culture. I'm Dr. Tam's in Aster and this is Hot Habits, Conscious Leadership in Action. Today we're joined by John Burgoff, founder of Exchange and one of the world's leading facilitators of transformational gatherings. He's worked with organizations like NASA, Google, BMW, Facebook and Stanford and has trained more than 26,000 change agents around the world, including me in the art of conscious convening. One of the things I really appreciate about John is how he is so honest about practicing conscious leadership in his own life, including working and living with a decade who's also been a guest here on Hot Habits. He's also incredibly transparent about how he builds his business and creates opportunities, which is really helpful for people like me who are trying to do meaningful work in this world, while figuring it all out as we go. Welcome, John. Thank you. Dr. Tam's in. I'm so happy to see you. I was thinking this morning like I can hardly put the words. It makes me really happy to be with you. That's really fun. Thank you. Thank you. So at the start of every Hot Habits conversation, I asked my guests to bring an object with them. Something that represents a Hot Habit in their lives. I think of it as a way of like bringing leadership out of theory and into everyday reality. So what did you bring with you today and why did you choose it? Okay. So I've grabbed and I'm holding up this. What do you call this? I mean, it's a plant, but there's a name for when you take the leaves and you put it in whatever. Yeah, so I grabbed this little plant. And the reason why is because when you say Hot Habits and whatever habits I have for my own attempts to live more consciously, nature is a really plays a big role in guiding me. And you know, it sounds interesting to some. It sounds like a like theory, but nature is about whatever gives life. And so it's a reminder to me I try and spend time in nature every day that all of the practices that I practice, and habits, and things that I do, and I fall off and I get back on any of my business strategy. I mean, so many things I find when I lose my way, I just have to ask, okay, let's get back to what gives life, what gives life to me, and that might remind me, okay, I just got a breath, or be here with whatever I'm being with, or who, and it follows me all the way into decisions as an entrepreneur. But I chose that plant because nature is a guide to me. So it sounds to me your habit is it's really about support, and it's about you articulating something that when you are in alignment with it, when you are acknowledging it, when you are not blocking it out, when you're committing to that being a part of your life, it affects not only you, but obviously the way you show up as a leader, and the way you develop your business, the way you show up as a parent, as a partner, and everything else in your life. It sounds to me like it's a sort of energetic connection, is that right? Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. One of the things that I'm really curious about, given your history of, you know, leading and convening and facilitating, is that I feel like as a sort of relative newbie in this space, that a lot of leaders still have this belief, maybe you could call it a fallacy or sort of a misunderstanding, that their job is to have answers to be about driving income, driving outcome income, KPIs, like it's all about sort of control and answers, and being the person like, you know, at the top of the hierarchy, for one to the better, sort of visual. So in your experience of facilitating thousands of groups and people, what happens when a leader goes, you know what, I'm going to let go of being the smartest person in the room, and I'm going to trust the intelligence in this group. What happens is everything that matters becomes possible, but it's easier to say than it is to do. And it's, I'm smiling because it's Friday and I'm talking to you, but also because I laugh a little, I agree with what you're saying, that there are many who may still believe that to lead or to manage or to provide value as a consultant, whatever, is about knowing things and being able to control things. And I don't know if anyone's been paying attention the last, you know, four, five, seven, ten years. This is a really tough time for people that want to control things. It's a really tough time for people who want to think they're supposed to know everything, you know, so your question, though, is what happens when a leader and I'm paraphrasing is maybe willing to let go of the need or the thought that they have to have the answers and they're willing to shift some of their energy towards, well, what happens if I give some of that energy to the questions that we invite others into? And, you know, I joked playfully, but in all sincerity, when we are willing to not just have to be the one with the answers, but to also, it's a new identity to be a guide that invites perspective, intelligence, wisdom of others. And it needs different approaches and different tools. But what it makes possible, which is what I heard in your question, is it enables us to bring people alive and maybe in ways and in situations where it's really helpful. It enables us to create conditions where people are invited to think, to contemplate, to learn from each other. And when it's done really well, we're not just scaling up, as we say, because we're all about what happens in group environments, as you said, we're not just scaling up curiosity, but everything that leads to. It's like, oh, now we're listening to each other. What is that lead to? The dissolving of the ego, the best of humaneness comes alive when a leader, instead of trying to control or tell or talk, two people is willing to ask, invite them to connect to each other's wisdom, so many meaningful things become possible. That's what comes up for me. One of the things that you said that I want to dig into a little bit more is the curiosity, listening, and letting go of ego. Because I think there's something that's brave about that. You have to kind of be willing to let go of control, which are somebody in a position of quote, unquote, power, which is sort of alluded to in the world at large. That's a terrifying thing, to sort of soften and either say, I don't know, or I'm willing to engage other views, ideas, concepts around that. So if we dig into that a little bit more, is there a question or a couple of questions that you have found to be really helpful, to trigger that shift in ego control curiosity for people who are kind of holding on to this idea that they have to be the person in control? Yeah, yeah. It's a great question. So there's good news. There's kind of a consolation prize. And I do really believe is one of my mentors, Dr. Ron Frye, said at one of our trainings that he was a guest at years ago, when I said, Ron, you know, what are you learning about our world right now? And this was maybe right as we were all kind of coming out of COVID, I think. And he said, you know, John, I'm pretty convinced that control is entirely an illusion. However, the amount of influence that we have is often beyond what we comprehend. And so the interesting thing is it's not it's not about giving up control to the extent that I as a manager or a leader have no role here. It's really about understanding an entirely different way to be far more influential through how we lead, how we engage and in the case of what you're asking through the types of questions we ask. So you ask for examples. Well, it always is dependent on the circumstance or the situation, but I could give a couple examples. So I'll just pull from, you know, few different environments. So not too long ago, Hewlett Packard invited us to lead their top 500 leaders that came together for their annual leadership conference, which was a tremendous honor. And the reason they brought our methodology in is because you got 500 people from 50 countries who are really dang smart. And yes, they had many of their senior executives go up on the stage and give updates and talk about what's going on. But then all throughout, they wanted to tap the wisdom in the room. So I'll give you one example, like one of the themes in the mantras, a drum that they were beating was around organizational execution, which, you know, there's a whole meaning to them around that phrase. So one example of a question that they that I brought into that room was so instead of the old model, which would be, well, let's just have a few people stand here and tell all these people what organizational excellence looks like. But that completely dismisses how much wisdom is sitting in the room. So they brought us in in over two and a half days. We did a series of these conversations. And in this case, I handed the room the question, when and where have you seen organizational excellence at its best? And we're not going to talk theoretically, I want us to get in small groups and share real examples with each other. And then study your examples. And at the end of the experience, we even had them kind of nominate our crowdsource or vote up. And we pulled stories into the room of how they had dealt with incredible challenges to overcome to serve a customer issue or ways they came together as an organization to help employees that needed to tackle some creative problem. Needless to say, when you design a question like that and you hand it to a room like that, and you're willing to give the space for people to bring their experience in, you're not just honoring what all the research says about collective intelligence, you're learning a shit ton that is really hard to encapsulate by having one or two people go up in lecture everybody about organization or execution excellence, whatever the topic was. So that's one example I could give others, but let me see what that brings up. Yeah, I think as you were talking, what was occurring to me is how there seems to be almost a break in the fact that evolutionarily we're designed to learn by story. Before we had the written word, it was all Orritic. Orritus. It was about the story and what the story gave in terms of morals or ethics or love or the environment or whatever it was. And one of the things we so often see with the kind of sage on the stage model idea of being a leader is either they're stuck in a story that's very limited to their personal experience or its data, which unless you are a total data nerd, it doesn't create that emotional connection. And so what you're really describing to me and what it feels like is that you are helping people find their own stories. And by sharing their stories, people hear glimpses of, oh, I resonate with that. I connect with that. And that then brings on a greater sense of transformation. I love that you chose to double click on the story aspect. I'll share an interesting example with you. Actually, later today, I'm meeting with a good friend of mine, Dr. Benjamin Hardy, who's a pretty well known author in like the entrepreneurial space. And he recently published a book called The Science of Scaling. And I've known Ben for many years. And we have an appreciation for each other's work. And he and his co-author Blake Ericsson and their team. When they put this book out last year, they called us and said, we want you to lead our member events. So we led one last fall. And we're leading another one coming up in a few months. We're meeting with their team today. And we're actually talking through the design of this member event, or be several hundred entrepreneurs who've studied their work. So there is a role of the framework, the frameworks, the teachings, the insight. There's a role that's played. And when we get to this conference, one of the activities we're looking at doing is having everybody in the room sharing a story to reveal the most important lesson they've learned thus far about scaling their businesses. And something you're pointing out, one of the reasons why that type of conversation and that approach and that setting is so valuable is because we are honoring the theory and the frameworks that informed those customers. But now what we're doing is we're learning from experiences not by talking theoretically, but by being grounded in reality. And you said something interesting about trust and data. We're living at a time right now where trust in everything and everybody's at an all time low. And anybody can create whatever data they want. And because of that, nobody believes a lot of things for right or wrong. But there's one type of data that people always agree with and it's their own. And when you invite a room, eye to eye to hear each other's examples and stories that you know this is their true lived experience. The trust in learning from my and your story is very different than somebody else presenting some information. And we just don't know if it's grounded in reality. So there's a you're picking up on something. And I'll just if I could say one more thing. You know, I just gave an example where we're using our method at a conference of sorts, but go back into a team, an organization. Somebody taught me years ago that there's no such thing as there is not one story when you have 25 people on a team. There is the whole story, which is what you discover when you realize everybody has their own story. And when you create experiences where you can bring all those stories into the room, you've seen us do this, our annual in-person conference, where you were recognized last year amongst our whole global community. That conference, we open it up, not by me the founder or anybody telling everybody why we're in the room, which there's an answer and that's a story. But we actually invite our members to explore together and actually co-create an answer together to why are we in this room. That's an example of surfacing the whole story, which is contributed to by every voice in that room. And anybody listening to this, if you can follow this example, I'm giving that the power of inviting a group of people to contribute to conversations like that. It's hard to overstate. Yeah, no, and I think the other thing that's really interesting about it too, and it's making me think of this sort of original definition of a mastermind, which is that when you create a space for people who are open, aligned, connective, curious, generous, expansive, you know, fill in the positive word, right? You build an intelligence, you build a mind that is greater than the individual. And that, to me, in this world of, you know, polarization, I've lived in the US for nearly a quarter of a century and watching the polarization and the kind of like people getting to the ends of the two of the continuum, rather than being able to have the conversation. That's the thing that I think is so powerful, and one of the things that I think has been a big driver for me to really continue to learn and study in this space of how to facilitate and be curious and lean into, particularly lean into appreciative inquiry, because so for those of you listening who are not familiar, appreciative inquiry is a model which is about looking for what is working in a system, in a relationship, in a model, right, which goes against on natural brains, on like our natural sort of neuroscientific way of moving through the world is how can I keep myself safe? What's broken? What's not working? Where are the, you know, where are the woolly mammoths? Right. And so for me, you know, talking about this idea, you have of like following the breadcrums, right, which is, to me, is a, I, my PhD was, was quantitative data analysis. My postdoctoral fellowship was qualitative data analysis, analyzing conversations. And it was a real shift in the way I thought about data gathering because with quantitative, it's what's the reaction time? How is the people dilating? What are the electrical activity in the brain, right? It's sort of concrete, clear, start, num, numeric, whereas analyzing conversations and looking for patterns is much more as you say about following the breadcrums and kind of where, what are people talking about? What is the theme here? What is emerging? And I think this idea of following the breadcrums in, in this world that we're inhabiting is a really powerful but brave way of doing it, right? Because you are really working hard not to impose your natural, your, you know, the way you grew up, your gender, your way you live in the world, all of these things that contribute to what I'm seeing means this, right, confirmation bias, right? All of that kind of stuff. You know, as you do more of this work, like what, what are the breadcrums that you are following? You can, and you can go with this personally or professionally, John. You know, that maybe signal, you know, the way that things are changing and giving away to new things. Well, I'd like to share, I, I'm in love with the question that you're asking. I want to make love to the question you're asking right now in the presence of whoever's watching this. So I'm one of those people, you know, years ago I was told I had problems and I'm, I'm sure I did and I know I still do. And over time, those problems, I've, like, slowly figured out how to turn them into like superpowers. And one of them is that my brain, it like is constantly wanting to figure shit out, which can be helpful unless it's 3 a.m. and I need to fucking go back to sleep, right? So, um, so I'm actually, I'm very fortunate and I'm privileged in that my brain has led me to places and people that have been, um, incredible breadcrumbs for me. And I, and I see how I've benefited because I was smart enough to not be dumb enough that I'd listened to these people. Um, and I'll, I'll give you two places where the breadcrumbs sit for me. One is in, uh, some of the most cutting edge, uh, research and scientific perspectives. But then the other comes from, um, stories, prophecies that were told thousands of years ago. And I'll start with the, the kind of, uh, scientific perspective. So, uh, there's a story that you've heard me tell. I know this, uh, that was first presented to me by a gentleman named Eric Teller over at Google. And it's a way of understanding our world. To me, this was a breadcrumb eight years ago that I, I, I tell this story a, you know, a couple times a month still. And it was a way of understanding this moment in time. And there's a picture that goes with it and the picture in the story are essentially saying that we may now live at a time in history where the rate at which our world and especially technology, uh, the rate at which these things are changing, uh, and you could call this a hypothesis, a theory I've presented this picture to 28,000 people live in the last five years. Most people say this is my reality. Um, the rate at which our world is changing has maybe surpassed the rate at which we as humans are equipped to adapt to this change, right? And, and actually, um, I know you and I can see each other if someone may be listening to this. I'm going to overlay what I just said with a report that came out last week. Um, maybe you, maybe many of your listeners are familiar with this report, uh, anthropic. I think they're the creator of cloud one of these AI. They, they are. And actually my brother is the head of international business development. Okay. Okay. Well, and maybe he's maybe he created this chart. So I have this sitting in front of me. And what this is, if somebody can't see it, I'll just describe this. It's, it's a way of looking at every professional occupation. And the extent to which the red represents AI is already doing these things in the blue represents the projection of how much of these professions AI is going to do. And if someone's looking, they're either depressed or demoralized or dysregulated if they're looking at the chart. And if they're listening, they're wanting to see the chart to see how fearful they should be. Um, but it's not a new story. Tam's and you asked breadcrumbs, right? I think when we look at it, at that, we have to understand that, um, as scary as it is, and maybe it ought to be. You know, there's a group of us that are going to find the presence to ask, well, who do I need to be? And what should I do about it? Right? Because if you look at the chart, you know, there's actually a little bit of space to the right of the blue. So what will it mean to live over there? And you know, if you sit with that question for just a little bit, you realize what it's going to mean? Everything we know is being substituted, replaced. What it's going to mean is those of us who are able to support our fellow travelers to deal with complexity. Those of us who are able to support our fellow travelers who you think people are stressed out and dysregulated today, it's nothing. It's only going to increase. So, you know, you do incredible work, not only with habits, but teaching people how to cultivate the capacity to be present under pressure. Like people who work in those domains, you're not going to be just fine. You're going to be who everybody's running towards. And of course, I'm biased. So everything I'm saying is, you know, everyone should test it against their own gut. But the extent to which this chart is true and a lot of people feel like they're witnessing it happen, then it means more and more and more the challenges that we're all dealing with. It is more and more true that none of us as individuals have the answers. And the more we're going to need to figure out how to discover and create solutions together. And who's going to facilitate us being able to work together? Because what is also happening, a breadcrumb, is for writer for wrong. So many of these amazing technological advancements are, they're organized and optimized for our attention. Or as some point out, dopamine. And we don't want to beat up dopamine. Dopamine is not a bad thing. But anything played so much that eventually becomes a weakness is a breadcrumb. And I think anything that becomes increasingly rare. Like for example, right now, and you know, this is Surgeon General of the United States a few years ago said, you know, it's killing more people than cigarettes is loneliness right now. The degree to which people are feeling human connection is measurably going down. The trust that we all have, the Edelman trust barometer that has been measured for two decades, all time low. The rise of AI and how that's infusing everything we see in the digital sphere. Our trust is only going to continue to plummet. So here's the irony of this is a breadcrumb is while our world seems to be optimized for dopamine. Those of us who are building skills that actually connect people and help people to reestablish trust, which means optimized for oxytocin are going to be well positioned. So I'm seeing it myself. I have companies that are calling us right now saying, John, we're bringing 300 leaders together, right? And we can't put another slide up and we can't give them another let we need them to turn to each other because all the conflict and tension in our world trickles into our organizations and our communities. And the Dalai Lama said it that the cause of conflict is just we forget about the relationships with each other. So I think if you look at these modern trends, any of us who are in the business of helping humans to deal with pressure or to connect with and deal with complexity with each other are very well positioned. And I also just want to offer a perspective that I learned from two teachers of mine to amazing women who interestingly they both may be today somewhere around the age of 80 years old. And which is notable because as you and I are talking, our countries are in the middle of blowing each other up right now and we're all fucked and it's just an expression of when masculinity goes wrong because wounded masculine the answer is always war. And maybe that's we're going to have to blow ourselves up before we eventually rebalance. But I do think we need this wise feminine wisdom for a moment when the wounded masculine seems to be continuously out of control. And so two teachers of mine both introduced me to several different prophecies. One was introduced by Meg Wheatley. So this is not a modern breadcrumb. This is a breadcrumb that this is the Tibetan prophecy of the Shambhala warrior was laid down for us 800 to a thousand or no about a thousand years ago. And they said there will be a time of extraordinary destruction where technology and weapons and war and what we do to our planet is going to be devastating. And when that time comes there will be a group of warriors that arise but in these warriors we'll find their way into power centers but you won't recognize them by uniforms they wear. And their weapons are not weapons of violence and destruction their weapons are compassion and insight. And what's interesting is Meg Wheatley taught me that all throughout history which does repeat itself with pinpoint accuracy. In the last 20 times our civilization collapsed with pinpoint accuracy. There have always been when systems collapse people who arise. And so this is a crumb that was laid thousands of years ago or in this type of prophecy and I it may or may not be true but I find it to be useful. Yeah and I think so there's two things that jump out of that. One is I've been a Buddhist for about 16 years for 15 years and one of the things that I've always appreciated about Buddhism in comparison to a lot of other sort of quote unquote religions is this this you know don't believe anything I say go out and figure it out for yourself right it's this you know I'm going to give you some ideas that you need to see whether this is real in your own personal experience and this sort of shift to I mean one of the themes of what you were saying which I think is really interesting you know with the wounded masculine and the dopamine oxytocin kind of almost battle right is this idea of shifting away from the doing and more to the being right and you could say that's also from like action to feeling from masculine to feminine from sun to moon right there's lots of other sort of polarities that we could use to reflect on that but you know one of the things that you know the more I do this work and the more I see what's going on in the world the more I feel like it's almost a moral or ethical stance that I am kind of putting my stake in the ground of that as leaders you know in the space of conscious leadership right conscious aware leadership impact is that if we are not doing the inner work if we're not doing this regulation we are like ethically you know off-task right it's my moral ethical duty as somebody who wants to do good in this world do you do this energetic in a leadership so that when I get into the collective I can be curious I can let go of my ego I can step from doing to feeling I can let go of the dopamine of being like oh you're wonderful and they're sitting in the and basking in the praise of being told that my ideas are amazing right and so that for me feels like a really sort of juicy place you know like you know yes the world feels like it's burning but stepping into that energy feels juicy and exciting right it's a lean into it's a calling and for many it's a it is connected to a deeper in many cases spiritual perspective and it's an invitation to really ask what does it mean to serve right now and for many of us it could be an important reminder because there is kind of an arrogance and an ignorance and a mag refers to this as the the drug of hopium to for for any of us to think that there is some sort of mass rising of conscious richness right now that we are on the way up I'm not so sure would you want the the current data or do you want the 25 times over the last 10,000 years that this is all repeated itself or do you want to just walk outside you know and I think in times like this we want to ask what can I do where I am with who I can serve because to think that we can actually reverse or turn around things that are happening systemically it's it's ignorant to how these systems really work and this is why I really love this phrase that the the opportunity now is to be an island of sanity in a sea of chaos and for some of us I like how you say it it is a moral imperative and and it's also why I'm a big proponent of for those of us who are working in the entrepreneurial institutions of business that to stop and realize like we have a really important role to play and I mean look at what the institutions of government or religion or even the challenges we're facing in education you know there's a lot of problems in all these institutions and I actually think entrepreneurs and the institution of business needs to become one of the most important forces for good because we have a capacity to do that it's one of the reasons I'm a big fan of the the philosophy in the organization conscious capitalism and it's also it's just so notable that one of the founding members of that organization Raj Sosodia and a colleague of his Dr. Nileema bought the book that they just released which is one of my favorites of all the books that both of them have released is titled Healing Leaders and that book is about everything you just acknowledged it's about a journey to recovering who we really can be and who we really are how do we know ourselves so that we can love ourselves so that we can be ourselves so that we can express ourselves and complete ourselves and heal ourselves it's I think it's notable that Raj who has shaped the whole business for good movement over the past two decades is coming forward saying we right now have to lean so far into resolving our own deepest inner wounds as leaders which is very much what I hear you referencing yes and I think we could spend another hour talking about this that I'm going to work on wrapping us up so that we don't go down another whole fascinating rabbit hole I think you know thinking about what we've covered today I think one of the things that really stayed with me and the the image that it produces is this idea of the neural network right which is we're not alone right there this idea of the collective intelligence you know reciprocal causality the part affects the systems the system affects the parts this idea when we do the work on ourselves we affect others how I'm being affects how I'm doing how I'm doing affects my being right the dance between oxytocin and dopamine so all the way through this I'm feeling this energy that you really embody in how you live personally how you lead and move through the world and what you're kind of building is this idea of you know connectedness from a sense of from from a place of like grounded you know positive you know like the the island of sanity and the sea of chaos if our listeners just take one thing from this conversation based on all the fun places we've been one insight one shift or maybe even one action or a question to ask themselves what would you want that to be John so since we're coming to a wrap here I want to end where I started so I've got my little plant in in front of me here so everything in nature grows towards the sun it's called the heliotropic effect we move towards that which gives life there's another interesting dynamic in nature in that in nature there is something that is present always and that is cycles of giving and receiving nutrients sunshine information energy and so I want to take your question and let Mother Nature give the answer which is if there's one practical takeaway that I'm extending it's for all of us in our next interaction in our in or our next moment of solitude because this is something I could take to another person but I could also give it to myself what might it look like sound like or feel like to create a cycle of giving and receiving oh that's so juicy and I want to like get my journal out and start reflecting thank you so much John for joining me today on hot habits with Dr. Thames and I really really appreciate your time and insight and mentorship Dr. Thames and you're an inspiration to me and it's an honor that I got to be here thanks for being here and thank you for taking the time to listen until next time remember that the way you lead your inner world shapes how you lead on the 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Google,\n\n4\n00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:12.400\n BMW and NASA.\n\n5\n00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:17.359\n And what he has shown is that the magic lies not in any one person,\n\n6\n00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.440\n but in the spaces between them.\n\n7\n00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:23.440\n In our conversation today, we cover being, doing,\n\n8\n00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:27.120\n oxytocin dopamine, and perhaps the greatest piece\n\n9\n00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:28.720\n what's going on inside us.\n\n10\n00:00:28.720 --> 00:00:31.600\n Your nervous system sets the tone.\n\n11\n00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:34.079\n Your energy speaks before you do.\n\n12\n00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.560\n How you show up is the culture.\n\n13\n00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.000\n I'm Dr. Tam's in Aster and this is Hot Habits,\n\n14\n00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:41.600\n Conscious Leadership in Action.\n\n15\n00:00:42.400 --> 00:00:46.079\n Today we're joined by John Burgoff, founder of Exchange\n\n16\n00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:50.000\n and one of the world's leading facilitators of transformational gatherings.\n\n17\n00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.719\n He's worked with organizations like NASA, Google,\n\n18\n00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:59.039\n BMW, Facebook and Stanford and has trained more than 26,000 change agents around the world,\n\n19\n00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.640\n including me in the art of conscious convening.\n\n20\n00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.879\n One of the things I really appreciate about John is how he is so honest\n\n21\n00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.759\n about practicing conscious leadership in his own life,\n\n22\n00:01:09.759 --> 00:01:15.039\n including working and living with a decade who's also been a guest here on Hot Habits.\n\n23\n00:01:15.039 --> 00:01:19.120\n He's also incredibly transparent about how he builds his business\n\n24\n00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.200\n and creates opportunities, which is really helpful for people like me\n\n25\n00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.400\n who are trying to do meaningful work in this world,\n\n26\n00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:28.480\n while figuring it all out as we go.\n\n27\n00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:29.760\n Welcome, John. Thank you.\n\n28\n00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:32.080\n Dr. Tam's in.\n\n29\n00:01:32.080 --> 00:01:33.760\n I'm so happy to see you.\n\n30\n00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:38.560\n I was thinking this morning like I can hardly put the words.\n\n31\n00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.120\n It makes me really happy to be with you.\n\n32\n00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:42.000\n That's really fun.\n\n33\n00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:42.880\n Thank you. Thank you.\n\n34\n00:01:42.880 --> 00:01:46.800\n So at the start of every Hot Habits conversation,\n\n35\n00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:48.799\n I asked my guests to bring an object with them.\n\n36\n00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:52.560\n Something that represents a Hot Habit in their lives.\n\n37\n00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.879\n I think of it as a way of like bringing leadership out of theory\n\n38\n00:01:56.879 --> 00:01:58.719\n and into everyday reality.\n\n39\n00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:02.079\n So what did you bring with you today and why did you choose it?\n\n40\n00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:06.959\n Okay. So I've grabbed and I'm holding up this.\n\n41\n00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:08.079\n What do you call this?\n\n42\n00:02:08.079 --> 00:02:12.319\n I mean, it's a plant, but there's a name for when you take the leaves\n\n43\n00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:13.280\n and you put it in whatever.\n\n44\n00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:17.439\n Yeah, so I grabbed this little plant.\n\n45\n00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:22.719\n And the reason why is because when you say Hot Habits\n\n46\n00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:28.080\n and whatever habits I have for my own attempts\n\n47\n00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:33.680\n to live more consciously, nature is a really plays a big role\n\n48\n00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.680\n in guiding me.\n\n49\n00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:42.240\n And you know, it sounds interesting to some.\n\n50\n00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:49.760\n It sounds like a like theory, but nature is about whatever gives life.\n\n51\n00:02:49.760 --> 00:02:56.240\n And so it's a reminder to me I try and spend time in nature every day\n\n52\n00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.360\n that all of the practices that I practice,\n\n53\n00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:03.520\n and habits, and things that I do, and I fall off and I get back on\n\n54\n00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:05.040\n any of my business strategy.\n\n55\n00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:08.320\n I mean, so many things I find when I lose my way,\n\n56\n00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:12.000\n I just have to ask, okay, let's get back to what gives life,\n\n57\n00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.879\n what gives life to me, and that might remind me,\n\n58\n00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:19.600\n okay, I just got a breath, or be here with whatever I'm being with,\n\n59\n00:03:19.600 --> 00:03:26.400\n or who, and it follows me all the way into decisions as an entrepreneur.\n\n60\n00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:30.320\n But I chose that plant because nature is a guide to me.\n\n61\n00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.639\n So it sounds to me your habit is it's really about support,\n\n62\n00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.840\n and it's about you articulating something that when you are in alignment with it,\n\n63\n00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.959\n when you are acknowledging it, when you are not blocking it out,\n\n64\n00:03:42.959 --> 00:03:46.959\n when you're committing to that being a part of your life,\n\n65\n00:03:46.959 --> 00:03:52.400\n it affects not only you, but obviously the way you show up as a leader,\n\n66\n00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.319\n and the way you develop your business, the way you show up as a parent,\n\n67\n00:03:56.319 --> 00:03:58.400\n as a partner, and everything else in your life.\n\n68\n00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:03.840\n It sounds to me like it's a sort of energetic connection, is that right?\n\n69\n00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:05.439\n Yeah, that's fair, that's fair.\n\n70\n00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.240\n One of the things that I'm really curious about,\n\n71\n00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:15.120\n given your history of, you know, leading and convening and facilitating,\n\n72\n00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:19.439\n is that I feel like as a sort of relative newbie in this space,\n\n73\n00:04:19.439 --> 00:04:23.120\n that a lot of leaders still have this belief,\n\n74\n00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.360\n maybe you could call it a fallacy or sort of a misunderstanding,\n\n75\n00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:32.800\n that their job is to have answers to be about driving income,\n\n76\n00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:34.879\n driving outcome income, KPIs,\n\n77\n00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.600\n like it's all about sort of control and answers,\n\n78\n00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:41.120\n and being the person like, you know, at the top of the hierarchy,\n\n79\n00:04:41.120 --> 00:04:43.759\n for one to the better, sort of visual.\n\n80\n00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.639\n So in your experience of facilitating thousands of groups and people,\n\n81\n00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.280\n what happens when a leader goes, you know what,\n\n82\n00:04:51.280 --> 00:04:54.639\n I'm going to let go of being the smartest person in the room,\n\n83\n00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:58.319\n and I'm going to trust the intelligence in this group.\n\n84\n00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.919\n What happens is everything that matters becomes possible,\n\n85\n00:05:01.919 --> 00:05:04.079\n but it's easier to say than it is to do.\n\n86\n00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:10.240\n And it's, I'm smiling because it's Friday and I'm talking to you,\n\n87\n00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.639\n but also because I laugh a little,\n\n88\n00:05:13.599 --> 00:05:20.159\n I agree with what you're saying, that there are many who may still believe\n\n89\n00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:26.240\n that to lead or to manage or to provide value as a consultant, whatever,\n\n90\n00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:30.640\n is about knowing things and being able to control things.\n\n91\n00:05:30.640 --> 00:05:35.200\n And I don't know if anyone's been paying attention the last, you know,\n\n92\n00:05:35.200 --> 00:05:36.800\n four, five, seven, ten years.\n\n93\n00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:41.600\n This is a really tough time for people that want to control things.\n\n94\n00:05:42.400 --> 00:05:48.320\n It's a really tough time for people who want to think they're supposed to know everything,\n\n95\n00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:55.680\n you know, so your question, though, is what happens when a leader\n\n96\n00:05:55.680 --> 00:06:03.759\n and I'm paraphrasing is maybe willing to let go of the need or the thought\n\n97\n00:06:03.759 --> 00:06:09.920\n that they have to have the answers and they're willing to shift some of their energy towards,\n\n98\n00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:15.759\n well, what happens if I give some of that energy to the questions that we invite others into?\n\n99\n00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:20.959\n And, you know, I joked playfully, but in all sincerity,\n\n100\n00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:27.279\n when we are willing to not just have to be the one with the answers, but to also,\n\n101\n00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:37.360\n it's a new identity to be a guide that invites perspective, intelligence, wisdom of others.\n\n102\n00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:41.120\n And it needs different approaches and different tools.\n\n103\n00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.480\n But what it makes possible, which is what I heard in your question,\n\n104\n00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:53.360\n is it enables us to bring people alive and maybe in ways and in situations where\n\n105\n00:06:54.000 --> 00:07:00.879\n it's really helpful. It enables us to create conditions where people are invited to think,\n\n106\n00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:06.399\n to contemplate, to learn from each other. And when it's done really well,\n\n107\n00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:13.120\n we're not just scaling up, as we say, because we're all about what happens in group environments,\n\n108\n00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:19.120\n as you said, we're not just scaling up curiosity, but everything that leads to.\n\n109\n00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:25.280\n It's like, oh, now we're listening to each other. What is that lead to? The dissolving of the ego,\n\n110\n00:07:25.280 --> 00:07:34.640\n the best of humaneness comes alive when a leader, instead of trying to control or tell or talk,\n\n111\n00:07:35.599 --> 00:07:42.159\n two people is willing to ask, invite them to connect to each other's wisdom,\n\n112\n00:07:42.159 --> 00:07:46.319\n so many meaningful things become possible. That's what comes up for me.\n\n113\n00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:51.919\n One of the things that you said that I want to dig into a little bit more is the curiosity,\n\n114\n00:07:51.919 --> 00:07:58.959\n listening, and letting go of ego. Because I think there's something that's brave about that.\n\n115\n00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:04.800\n You have to kind of be willing to let go of control, which are somebody in a position of quote,\n\n116\n00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:10.640\n unquote, power, which is sort of alluded to in the world at large. That's a terrifying thing,\n\n117\n00:08:10.640 --> 00:08:19.200\n to sort of soften and either say, I don't know, or I'm willing to engage other views, ideas,\n\n118\n00:08:19.200 --> 00:08:26.560\n concepts around that. So if we dig into that a little bit more, is there a question or a couple\n\n119\n00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:34.720\n of questions that you have found to be really helpful, to trigger that shift in ego control\n\n120\n00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:40.639\n curiosity for people who are kind of holding on to this idea that they have to be the person in\n\n121\n00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:49.519\n control? Yeah, yeah. It's a great question. So there's good news. There's kind of a consolation\n\n122\n00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:59.439\n prize. And I do really believe is one of my mentors, Dr. Ron Frye, said at one of our trainings that\n\n123\n00:08:59.439 --> 00:09:05.199\n he was a guest at years ago, when I said, Ron, you know, what are you learning about our world\n\n124\n00:09:05.199 --> 00:09:11.120\n right now? And this was maybe right as we were all kind of coming out of COVID, I think. And he\n\n125\n00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:17.519\n said, you know, John, I'm pretty convinced that control is entirely an illusion. However,\n\n126\n00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:25.919\n the amount of influence that we have is often beyond what we comprehend. And so the interesting\n\n127\n00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:32.399\n thing is it's not it's not about giving up control to the extent that I as a manager or a leader\n\n128\n00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:40.320\n have no role here. It's really about understanding an entirely different way to be far more\n\n129\n00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:48.320\n influential through how we lead, how we engage and in the case of what you're asking through\n\n130\n00:09:49.040 --> 00:09:54.320\n the types of questions we ask. So you ask for examples. Well, it always is dependent on the\n\n131\n00:09:54.320 --> 00:10:00.160\n circumstance or the situation, but I could give a couple examples. So I'll just pull from, you know,\n\n132\n00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:08.399\n few different environments. So not too long ago, Hewlett Packard invited us to lead their\n\n133\n00:10:08.959 --> 00:10:14.240\n top 500 leaders that came together for their annual leadership conference, which was a tremendous\n\n134\n00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:22.319\n honor. And the reason they brought our methodology in is because you got 500 people from 50 countries\n\n135\n00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:30.240\n who are really dang smart. And yes, they had many of their senior executives go up on the stage\n\n136\n00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:36.000\n and give updates and talk about what's going on. But then all throughout, they wanted to tap the\n\n137\n00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:41.760\n wisdom in the room. So I'll give you one example, like one of the themes in the mantras, a drum\n\n138\n00:10:41.760 --> 00:10:47.440\n that they were beating was around organizational execution, which, you know, there's a whole meaning\n\n139\n00:10:47.440 --> 00:10:56.240\n to them around that phrase. So one example of a question that they that I brought into that room\n\n140\n00:10:57.040 --> 00:11:06.880\n was so instead of the old model, which would be, well, let's just have a few people stand here and\n\n141\n00:11:06.880 --> 00:11:12.480\n tell all these people what organizational excellence looks like. But that completely dismisses\n\n142\n00:11:12.560 --> 00:11:17.600\n how much wisdom is sitting in the room. So they brought us in in over two and a half days. We\n\n143\n00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:24.000\n did a series of these conversations. And in this case, I handed the room the question, when and\n\n144\n00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:31.039\n where have you seen organizational excellence at its best? And we're not going to talk theoretically,\n\n145\n00:11:31.920 --> 00:11:39.039\n I want us to get in small groups and share real examples with each other. And then study your\n\n146\n00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:44.480\n examples. And at the end of the experience, we even had them kind of nominate our crowdsource\n\n147\n00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:53.039\n or vote up. And we pulled stories into the room of how they had dealt with incredible challenges\n\n148\n00:11:53.039 --> 00:12:00.319\n to overcome to serve a customer issue or ways they came together as an organization to help\n\n149\n00:12:00.319 --> 00:12:07.679\n employees that needed to tackle some creative problem. Needless to say, when you design a question\n\n150\n00:12:07.680 --> 00:12:13.600\n like that and you hand it to a room like that, and you're willing to give the space for people to\n\n151\n00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:19.040\n bring their experience in, you're not just honoring what all the research says about collective\n\n152\n00:12:19.040 --> 00:12:26.800\n intelligence, you're learning a shit ton that is really hard to encapsulate by having one or two\n\n153\n00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:33.040\n people go up in lecture everybody about organization or execution excellence, whatever the topic was.\n\n154\n00:12:33.040 --> 00:12:36.400\n So that's one example I could give others, but let me see what that brings up.\n\n155\n00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:43.360\n Yeah, I think as you were talking, what was occurring to me is how there seems to be almost a\n\n156\n00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:50.959\n break in the fact that evolutionarily we're designed to learn by story. Before we had the written\n\n157\n00:12:50.959 --> 00:12:56.559\n word, it was all Orritic. Orritus. It was about the story and what the story gave in terms of\n\n158\n00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:03.039\n morals or ethics or love or the environment or whatever it was. And one of the things we so\n\n159\n00:13:03.039 --> 00:13:10.799\n often see with the kind of sage on the stage model idea of being a leader is either they're stuck\n\n160\n00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:18.319\n in a story that's very limited to their personal experience or its data, which unless you are a\n\n161\n00:13:18.319 --> 00:13:25.120\n total data nerd, it doesn't create that emotional connection. And so what you're really describing\n\n162\n00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:31.759\n to me and what it feels like is that you are helping people find their own stories. And by sharing\n\n163\n00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:38.879\n their stories, people hear glimpses of, oh, I resonate with that. I connect with that. And that\n\n164\n00:13:38.879 --> 00:13:46.159\n then brings on a greater sense of transformation. I love that you chose to double click on the story\n\n165\n00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:53.279\n aspect. I'll share an interesting example with you. Actually, later today, I'm meeting with a good\n\n166\n00:13:53.279 --> 00:14:00.799\n friend of mine, Dr. Benjamin Hardy, who's a pretty well known author in like the entrepreneurial\n\n167\n00:14:00.800 --> 00:14:08.080\n space. And he recently published a book called The Science of Scaling. And I've known Ben for many\n\n168\n00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:13.200\n years. And we have an appreciation for each other's work. And he and his co-author Blake Ericsson and\n\n169\n00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:19.280\n their team. When they put this book out last year, they called us and said, we want you to lead our\n\n170\n00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:24.080\n member events. So we led one last fall. And we're leading another one coming up in a few months.\n\n171\n00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:27.840\n We're meeting with their team today. And we're actually talking through the design of this member\n\n172\n00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:34.240\n event, or be several hundred entrepreneurs who've studied their work. So there is a role of the\n\n173\n00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:41.360\n framework, the frameworks, the teachings, the insight. There's a role that's played. And when we get\n\n174\n00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.800\n to this conference, one of the activities we're looking at doing is having everybody in the room\n\n175\n00:14:46.800 --> 00:14:53.120\n sharing a story to reveal the most important lesson they've learned thus far about scaling their\n\n176\n00:14:53.120 --> 00:15:02.000\n businesses. And something you're pointing out, one of the reasons why that type of conversation\n\n177\n00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:09.360\n and that approach and that setting is so valuable is because we are honoring the theory and the\n\n178\n00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:16.960\n frameworks that informed those customers. But now what we're doing is we're learning from experiences\n\n179\n00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:24.480\n not by talking theoretically, but by being grounded in reality. And you said something interesting\n\n180\n00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:30.800\n about trust and data. We're living at a time right now where trust in everything and everybody's\n\n181\n00:15:30.800 --> 00:15:35.280\n at an all time low. And anybody can create whatever data they want. And because of that, nobody\n\n182\n00:15:35.280 --> 00:15:41.600\n believes a lot of things for right or wrong. But there's one type of data that people always\n\n183\n00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:50.960\n agree with and it's their own. And when you invite a room, eye to eye to hear each other's\n\n184\n00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:56.560\n examples and stories that you know this is their true lived experience. The trust in learning\n\n185\n00:15:56.560 --> 00:16:03.360\n from my and your story is very different than somebody else presenting some information. And we\n\n186\n00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.080\n just don't know if it's grounded in reality. So there's a you're picking up on something. And I'll\n\n187\n00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:14.080\n just if I could say one more thing. You know, I just gave an example where we're using our method\n\n188\n00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:24.320\n at a conference of sorts, but go back into a team, an organization. Somebody taught me years ago\n\n189\n00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:31.920\n that there's no such thing as there is not one story when you have 25 people on a team.\n\n190\n00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:39.680\n There is the whole story, which is what you discover when you realize everybody has their own\n\n191\n00:16:39.680 --> 00:16:46.000\n story. And when you create experiences where you can bring all those stories into the room,\n\n192\n00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:51.760\n you've seen us do this, our annual in-person conference, where you were recognized last year\n\n193\n00:16:52.800 --> 00:17:00.320\n amongst our whole global community. That conference, we open it up, not by me the founder or\n\n194\n00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:04.720\n anybody telling everybody why we're in the room, which there's an answer and that's a story.\n\n195\n00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:11.360\n But we actually invite our members to explore together and actually co-create an answer\n\n196\n00:17:11.360 --> 00:17:17.360\n together to why are we in this room. That's an example of surfacing the whole story, which is\n\n197\n00:17:17.360 --> 00:17:23.279\n contributed to by every voice in that room. And anybody listening to this, if you can follow this\n\n198\n00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:30.720\n example, I'm giving that the power of inviting a group of people to contribute to conversations\n\n199\n00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:34.480\n like that. It's hard to overstate. Yeah, no, and I think the other thing that's really interesting\n\n200\n00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:39.680\n about it too, and it's making me think of this sort of original definition of a mastermind,\n\n201\n00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:48.720\n which is that when you create a space for people who are open, aligned, connective, curious,\n\n202\n00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:56.400\n generous, expansive, you know, fill in the positive word, right? You build an intelligence,\n\n203\n00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:02.400\n you build a mind that is greater than the individual. And that, to me, in this world of,\n\n204\n00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:07.440\n you know, polarization, I've lived in the US for nearly a quarter of a century and watching\n\n205\n00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:14.720\n the polarization and the kind of like people getting to the ends of the two of the continuum,\n\n206\n00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:20.799\n rather than being able to have the conversation. That's the thing that I think is so powerful,\n\n207\n00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:26.880\n and one of the things that I think has been a big driver for me to really continue to learn and\n\n208\n00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:34.240\n study in this space of how to facilitate and be curious and lean into, particularly lean into\n\n209\n00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.319\n appreciative inquiry, because so for those of you listening who are not familiar, appreciative\n\n210\n00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:43.120\n inquiry is a model which is about looking for what is working in a system, in a relationship,\n\n211\n00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:49.440\n in a model, right, which goes against on natural brains, on like our natural sort of neuroscientific\n\n212\n00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:54.400\n way of moving through the world is how can I keep myself safe? What's broken? What's not working?\n\n213\n00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:59.840\n Where are the, you know, where are the woolly mammoths? Right. And so for me, you know,\n\n214\n00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:04.880\n talking about this idea, you have of like following the breadcrums, right, which is, to me,\n\n215\n00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:12.000\n is a, I, my PhD was, was quantitative data analysis. My postdoctoral fellowship was qualitative data\n\n216\n00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:20.480\n analysis, analyzing conversations. And it was a real shift in the way I thought about data gathering\n\n217\n00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:25.119\n because with quantitative, it's what's the reaction time? How is the people dilating? What are the\n\n218\n00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.839\n electrical activity in the brain, right? It's sort of concrete, clear, start, num, numeric,\n\n219\n00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:36.880\n whereas analyzing conversations and looking for patterns is much more as you say about following\n\n220\n00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:42.640\n the breadcrums and kind of where, what are people talking about? What is the theme here? What is\n\n221\n00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:49.680\n emerging? And I think this idea of following the breadcrums in, in this world that we're\n\n222\n00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:58.640\n inhabiting is a really powerful but brave way of doing it, right? Because you are really working\n\n223\n00:19:58.640 --> 00:20:04.560\n hard not to impose your natural, your, you know, the way you grew up, your gender, your way you\n\n224\n00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:10.159\n live in the world, all of these things that contribute to what I'm seeing means this, right,\n\n225\n00:20:10.159 --> 00:20:15.839\n confirmation bias, right? All of that kind of stuff. You know, as you do more of this work,\n\n226\n00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:20.159\n like what, what are the breadcrums that you are following? You can, and you can go with this\n\n227\n00:20:20.159 --> 00:20:26.240\n personally or professionally, John. You know, that maybe signal, you know, the way that things are\n\n228\n00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:33.599\n changing and giving away to new things. Well, I'd like to share, I, I'm in love with the question\n\n229\n00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:42.800\n that you're asking. I want to make love to the question you're asking right now in the presence of\n\n230\n00:20:42.800 --> 00:20:51.840\n whoever's watching this. So I'm one of those people, you know, years ago I was told I had problems\n\n231\n00:20:51.840 --> 00:20:57.760\n and I'm, I'm sure I did and I know I still do. And over time, those problems, I've, like,\n\n232\n00:20:57.760 --> 00:21:02.320\n slowly figured out how to turn them into like superpowers. And one of them is that my brain,\n\n233\n00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:08.079\n it like is constantly wanting to figure shit out, which can be helpful unless it's 3 a.m.\n\n234\n00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:15.599\n and I need to fucking go back to sleep, right? So, um, so I'm actually, I'm very fortunate and\n\n235\n00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:26.000\n I'm privileged in that my brain has led me to places and people that have been, um, incredible\n\n236\n00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:32.960\n breadcrumbs for me. And I, and I see how I've benefited because I was smart enough to not be\n\n237\n00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:40.000\n dumb enough that I'd listened to these people. Um, and I'll, I'll give you two places where\n\n238\n00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:48.559\n the breadcrumbs sit for me. One is in, uh, some of the most cutting edge, uh, research and scientific\n\n239\n00:21:48.639 --> 00:21:57.679\n perspectives. But then the other comes from, um, stories, prophecies that were told thousands of\n\n240\n00:21:57.679 --> 00:22:08.639\n years ago. And I'll start with the, the kind of, uh, scientific perspective. So, uh, there's a\n\n241\n00:22:08.639 --> 00:22:15.039\n story that you've heard me tell. I know this, uh, that was first presented to me by a gentleman\n\n242\n00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:21.599\n named Eric Teller over at Google. And it's a way of understanding our world. To me, this was a\n\n243\n00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:27.599\n breadcrumb eight years ago that I, I, I tell this story a, you know, a couple times a month still.\n\n244\n00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:32.399\n And it was a way of understanding this moment in time. And there's a picture that goes with it and\n\n245\n00:22:32.399 --> 00:22:37.599\n the picture in the story are essentially saying that we may now live at a time in history where\n\n246\n00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:44.560\n the rate at which our world and especially technology, uh, the rate at which these things are\n\n247\n00:22:44.560 --> 00:22:51.760\n changing, uh, and you could call this a hypothesis, a theory I've presented this picture to 28,000\n\n248\n00:22:51.760 --> 00:22:58.880\n people live in the last five years. Most people say this is my reality. Um, the rate at which our\n\n249\n00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:06.000\n world is changing has maybe surpassed the rate at which we as humans are equipped to adapt to this\n\n250\n00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:12.240\n change, right? And, and actually, um, I know you and I can see each other if someone may be listening\n\n251\n00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:20.400\n to this. I'm going to overlay what I just said with a report that came out last week. Um, maybe\n\n252\n00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:25.839\n you, maybe many of your listeners are familiar with this report, uh, anthropic. I think they're the\n\n253\n00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:31.599\n creator of cloud one of these AI. They, they are. And actually my brother is the head of international\n\n254\n00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:38.400\n business development. Okay. Okay. Well, and maybe he's maybe he created this chart. So I have\n\n255\n00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:44.160\n this sitting in front of me. And what this is, if somebody can't see it, I'll just describe this.\n\n256\n00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:52.640\n It's, it's a way of looking at every professional occupation. And the extent to which the red\n\n257\n00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:59.200\n represents AI is already doing these things in the blue represents the projection of how much of\n\n258\n00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:04.640\n these professions AI is going to do. And if someone's looking, they're either depressed or\n\n259\n00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.319\n demoralized or dysregulated if they're looking at the chart. And if they're listening, they're\n\n260\n00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:13.279\n wanting to see the chart to see how fearful they should be. Um, but it's not a new story.\n\n261\n00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:19.759\n Tam's and you asked breadcrumbs, right? I think when we look at it, at that, we have to understand\n\n262\n00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:25.759\n that, um, as scary as it is, and maybe it ought to be.\n\n263\n00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:34.480\n You know, there's a group of us that are going to find the presence to ask, well, who do I need\n\n264\n00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:41.440\n to be? And what should I do about it? Right? Because if you look at the chart, you know, there's\n\n265\n00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:47.119\n actually a little bit of space to the right of the blue. So what will it mean to live over there?\n\n266\n00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:53.039\n And you know, if you sit with that question for just a little bit, you realize what it's going to\n\n267\n00:24:53.039 --> 00:25:01.680\n mean? Everything we know is being substituted, replaced. What it's going to mean is those of us who\n\n268\n00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:10.000\n are able to support our fellow travelers to deal with complexity. Those of us who are able to\n\n269\n00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:15.359\n support our fellow travelers who you think people are stressed out and dysregulated today,\n\n270\n00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:24.480\n it's nothing. It's only going to increase. So, you know, you do incredible work, not only with habits,\n\n271\n00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:33.200\n but teaching people how to cultivate the capacity to be present under pressure. Like people who work in\n\n272\n00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:39.840\n those domains, you're not going to be just fine. You're going to be who everybody's running towards.\n\n273\n00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:46.240\n And of course, I'm biased. So everything I'm saying is, you know, everyone should test it against\n\n274\n00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:54.000\n their own gut. But the extent to which this chart is true and a lot of people feel like they're\n\n275\n00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:01.200\n witnessing it happen, then it means more and more and more the challenges that we're all dealing with.\n\n276\n00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:08.720\n It is more and more true that none of us as individuals have the answers. And the more we're\n\n277\n00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:15.920\n going to need to figure out how to discover and create solutions together. And who's going to\n\n278\n00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:25.519\n facilitate us being able to work together? Because what is also happening, a breadcrumb, is for\n\n279\n00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:34.400\n writer for wrong. So many of these amazing technological advancements are, they're organized and\n\n280\n00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:43.040\n optimized for our attention. Or as some point out, dopamine. And we don't want to beat up dopamine.\n\n281\n00:26:43.040 --> 00:26:49.360\n Dopamine is not a bad thing. But anything played so much that eventually becomes a weakness is a\n\n282\n00:26:49.360 --> 00:26:57.519\n breadcrumb. And I think anything that becomes increasingly rare. Like for example, right now,\n\n283\n00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:02.720\n and you know, this is Surgeon General of the United States a few years ago said, you know,\n\n284\n00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:07.360\n it's killing more people than cigarettes is loneliness right now. The degree to which people\n\n285\n00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:14.640\n are feeling human connection is measurably going down. The trust that we all have, the Edelman\n\n286\n00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:21.440\n trust barometer that has been measured for two decades, all time low. The rise of AI and how\n\n287\n00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:26.640\n that's infusing everything we see in the digital sphere. Our trust is only going to continue\n\n288\n00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:32.480\n to plummet. So here's the irony of this is a breadcrumb is while our world seems to be\n\n289\n00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:41.440\n optimized for dopamine. Those of us who are building skills that actually connect people and help\n\n290\n00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:48.640\n people to reestablish trust, which means optimized for oxytocin are going to be well positioned.\n\n291\n00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:55.120\n So I'm seeing it myself. I have companies that are calling us right now saying, John,\n\n292\n00:27:55.120 --> 00:28:02.640\n we're bringing 300 leaders together, right? And we can't put another slide up and we can't give\n\n293\n00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:07.680\n them another let we need them to turn to each other because all the conflict and tension in our\n\n294\n00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:12.880\n world trickles into our organizations and our communities. And the Dalai Lama said it that the\n\n295\n00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:19.520\n cause of conflict is just we forget about the relationships with each other. So I think if you\n\n296\n00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:27.599\n look at these modern trends, any of us who are in the business of helping humans to deal with\n\n297\n00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.879\n pressure or to connect with and deal with complexity with each other are very well positioned.\n\n298\n00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:39.920\n And I also just want to offer a perspective that I learned from two teachers of mine\n\n299\n00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:47.599\n to amazing women who interestingly they both may be today somewhere around the age of 80 years old.\n\n300\n00:28:48.560 --> 00:28:55.360\n And which is notable because as you and I are talking, our countries are in the middle of blowing\n\n301\n00:28:55.360 --> 00:29:02.160\n each other up right now and we're all fucked and it's just an expression of when masculinity\n\n302\n00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:09.280\n goes wrong because wounded masculine the answer is always war. And maybe that's we're going to have\n\n303\n00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:16.399\n to blow ourselves up before we eventually rebalance. But I do think we need this\n\n304\n00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:26.160\n wise feminine wisdom for a moment when the wounded masculine seems to be continuously out of control.\n\n305\n00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:34.799\n And so two teachers of mine both introduced me to several different prophecies. One was\n\n306\n00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:40.000\n introduced by Meg Wheatley. So this is not a modern breadcrumb. This is a breadcrumb that\n\n307\n00:29:41.919 --> 00:29:49.039\n this is the Tibetan prophecy of the Shambhala warrior was laid down for us 800 to a thousand or\n\n308\n00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:55.680\n no about a thousand years ago. And they said there will be a time of extraordinary destruction\n\n309\n00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:05.120\n where technology and weapons and war and what we do to our planet is going to be devastating.\n\n310\n00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:14.480\n And when that time comes there will be a group of warriors that arise but in these warriors\n\n311\n00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:19.680\n we'll find their way into power centers but you won't recognize them by uniforms they wear.\n\n312\n00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:26.880\n And their weapons are not weapons of violence and destruction their weapons are compassion and\n\n313\n00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:34.400\n insight. And what's interesting is Meg Wheatley taught me that all throughout history which does\n\n314\n00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:41.759\n repeat itself with pinpoint accuracy. In the last 20 times our civilization collapsed with\n\n315\n00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:47.600\n pinpoint accuracy. There have always been when systems collapse people who arise.\n\n316\n00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:53.200\n And so this is a crumb that was laid thousands of years ago\n\n317\n00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:59.760\n or in this type of prophecy and I it may or may not be true but I find it to be useful.\n\n318\n00:31:00.080 --> 00:31:08.160\n Yeah and I think so there's two things that jump out of that. One is I've been a Buddhist\n\n319\n00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:14.720\n for about 16 years for 15 years and one of the things that I've always appreciated about Buddhism\n\n320\n00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:19.600\n in comparison to a lot of other sort of quote unquote religions is this this you know don't\n\n321\n00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:24.079\n believe anything I say go out and figure it out for yourself right it's this you know I'm going\n\n322\n00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:28.799\n to give you some ideas that you need to see whether this is real in your own personal experience\n\n323\n00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:34.240\n and this sort of shift to I mean one of the themes of what you were saying which I think\n\n324\n00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:39.440\n is really interesting you know with the wounded masculine and the dopamine oxytocin kind of almost\n\n325\n00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:48.000\n battle right is this idea of shifting away from the doing and more to the being right and you\n\n326\n00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:54.559\n could say that's also from like action to feeling from masculine to feminine from sun to moon right\n\n327\n00:31:54.559 --> 00:32:00.480\n there's lots of other sort of polarities that we could use to reflect on that but you know one of\n\n328\n00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.120\n the things that you know the more I do this work and the more I see what's going on in the world\n\n329\n00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:13.760\n the more I feel like it's almost a moral or ethical stance that I am kind of putting my stake in\n\n330\n00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:21.200\n the ground of that as leaders you know in the space of conscious leadership right conscious\n\n331\n00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:27.680\n aware leadership impact is that if we are not doing the inner work if we're not doing this regulation\n\n332\n00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:36.400\n we are like ethically you know off-task right it's my moral ethical duty as somebody who wants to\n\n333\n00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:45.360\n do good in this world do you do this energetic in a leadership so that when I get into the collective\n\n334\n00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:52.560\n I can be curious I can let go of my ego I can step from doing to feeling I can let go of the dopamine\n\n335\n00:32:52.639 --> 00:32:57.519\n of being like oh you're wonderful and they're sitting in the and basking in the praise of being told\n\n336\n00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:03.919\n that my ideas are amazing right and so that for me feels like a really sort of juicy place\n\n337\n00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.399\n you know like you know yes the world feels like it's burning but stepping into that energy feels\n\n338\n00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:20.720\n juicy and exciting right it's a lean into it's a calling and for many it's a it is connected to\n\n339\n00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:32.799\n a deeper in many cases spiritual perspective and it's an invitation to really ask what does\n\n340\n00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:42.160\n it mean to serve right now and for many of us it could be an important reminder because there is\n\n341\n00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:49.759\n kind of an arrogance and an ignorance and a mag refers to this as the the drug of hopium\n\n342\n00:33:52.640 --> 00:34:01.519\n to for for any of us to think that there is some sort of mass rising of conscious richness right\n\n343\n00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:15.280\n now that we are on the way up I'm not so sure would you want the the current data or do you want\n\n344\n00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:23.360\n the 25 times over the last 10,000 years that this is all repeated itself or do you want to just\n\n345\n00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:34.480\n walk outside you know and I think in times like this we want to ask what can I do where I am with\n\n346\n00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:41.360\n who I can serve because to think that we can actually reverse or turn around things that are\n\n347\n00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:52.000\n happening systemically it's it's ignorant to how these systems really work and this is why I\n\n348\n00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:59.360\n really love this phrase that the the opportunity now is to be an island of sanity in a sea of chaos\n\n349\n00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:09.199\n and for some of us I like how you say it it is a moral imperative and and it's also why\n\n350\n00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:17.519\n I'm a big proponent of for those of us who are working in the entrepreneurial\n\n351\n00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:25.519\n institutions of business that to stop and realize like we have a really important role to play\n\n352\n00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:35.920\n and I mean look at what the institutions of government or religion or even the challenges\n\n353\n00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:42.400\n we're facing in education you know there's a lot of problems in all these institutions and I actually\n\n354\n00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:50.160\n think entrepreneurs and the institution of business needs to become one of the most important\n\n355\n00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:57.840\n forces for good because we have a capacity to do that it's one of the reasons I'm a big fan of the\n\n356\n00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:06.240\n the philosophy in the organization conscious capitalism and it's also it's just so notable that\n\n357\n00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:14.160\n one of the founding members of that organization Raj Sosodia and a colleague of his Dr. Nileema bought\n\n358\n00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:21.520\n the book that they just released which is one of my favorites of all the books that both of them\n\n359\n00:36:21.520 --> 00:36:29.120\n have released is titled Healing Leaders and that book is about everything you just acknowledged\n\n360\n00:36:29.839 --> 00:36:36.799\n it's about a journey to recovering who we really can be and who we really are\n\n361\n00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.000\n how do we know ourselves so that we can love ourselves so that we can be ourselves so that we can\n\n362\n00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:50.239\n express ourselves and complete ourselves and heal ourselves it's I think it's notable that Raj\n\n363\n00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:57.119\n who has shaped the whole business for good movement over the past two decades is coming forward\n\n364\n00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:06.480\n saying we right now have to lean so far into resolving our own deepest inner wounds as leaders which\n\n365\n00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.119\n is very much what I hear you referencing yes and I think we could spend another hour talking about\n\n366\n00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:16.559\n this that I'm going to work on wrapping us up so that we don't go down another whole fascinating\n\n367\n00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:22.319\n rabbit hole I think you know thinking about what we've covered today I think one of the things that\n\n368\n00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.680\n really stayed with me and the the image that it produces is this idea of the neural network\n\n369\n00:37:27.680 --> 00:37:33.039\n right which is we're not alone right there this idea of the collective intelligence you know\n\n370\n00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:39.039\n reciprocal causality the part affects the systems the system affects the parts this idea when we do\n\n371\n00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:43.519\n the work on ourselves we affect others how I'm being affects how I'm doing how I'm doing affects my\n\n372\n00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:50.080\n being right the dance between oxytocin and dopamine so all the way through this I'm feeling this\n\n373\n00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:56.639\n energy that you really embody in how you live personally how you lead and move through the world\n\n374\n00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:03.119\n and what you're kind of building is this idea of you know connectedness from a sense of from\n\n375\n00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:10.000\n from a place of like grounded you know positive you know like the the island of sanity and the\n\n376\n00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:16.000\n sea of chaos if our listeners just take one thing from this conversation based on all the fun\n\n377\n00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:24.320\n places we've been one insight one shift or maybe even one action or a question to ask themselves\n\n378\n00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:31.599\n what would you want that to be John so since we're coming to a wrap here I want to end where I started\n\n379\n00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:40.800\n so I've got my little plant in in front of me here so everything in nature grows towards the\n\n380\n00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:47.840\n sun it's called the heliotropic effect we move towards that which gives life there's another\n\n381\n00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:55.920\n interesting dynamic in nature in that in nature there is something that is present always and that\n\n382\n00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:07.280\n is cycles of giving and receiving nutrients sunshine information energy and so I want to take your\n\n383\n00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:14.320\n question and let Mother Nature give the answer which is if there's one practical takeaway that I'm\n\n384\n00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:24.240\n extending it's for all of us in our next interaction in our in or our next moment of solitude because\n\n385\n00:39:24.240 --> 00:39:31.200\n this is something I could take to another person but I could also give it to myself what might it\n\n386\n00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:41.280\n look like sound like or feel like to create a cycle of giving and receiving oh that's so juicy and\n\n387\n00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:47.840\n I want to like get my journal out and start reflecting thank you so much John for joining me today\n\n388\n00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:54.960\n on hot habits with Dr. Thames and I really really appreciate your time and insight and mentorship\n\n389\n00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.240\n Dr. Thames and you're an inspiration to me and it's an honor that I got to be here\n\n390\n00:40:00.240 --> 00:40:06.640\n thanks for being here and thank you for taking the time to listen until next time remember that the\n\n391\n00:40:06.640 --> 00:40:13.200\n way you lead your inner world shapes how you lead on the outside I'm Dr. Thames and Esther thanks 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